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	<title>Comments on: Piotroski&#8217;s F_SCORE in practice</title>
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		<title>By: A Miscellany of Deep Value &#171; Greenbackd</title>
		<link>http://greenbackd.com/2009/12/04/piotroskis-f_score-in-practice/#comment-5229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Miscellany of Deep Value &#171; Greenbackd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 05:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is very difficult to pass, but yields a high proportion of winners in the companies that do pass. Piotroski&#8217;s &#8220;F-Score&#8221; is an excellent example of such an algorithm (even though I don&#8217;t personally like it or use [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is very difficult to pass, but yields a high proportion of winners in the companies that do pass. Piotroski&#8217;s &#8220;F-Score&#8221; is an excellent example of such an algorithm (even though I don&#8217;t personally like it or use [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Porvair&#8217;s porous profits : Interactive Investor Blog</title>
		<link>http://greenbackd.com/2009/12/04/piotroskis-f_score-in-practice/#comment-2693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porvair&#8217;s porous profits : Interactive Investor Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Greenbackd reports that of 56 screens, Piotroski’s F_Score was the only one to produce a positive return in 2008. Five Piotroski shares returned 33%. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Greenbackd reports that of 56 screens, Piotroski’s F_Score was the only one to produce a positive return in 2008. Five Piotroski shares returned 33%. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: greenbackd</title>
		<link>http://greenbackd.com/2009/12/04/piotroskis-f_score-in-practice/#comment-2680</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for pointing that out, Ra&#039;uf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing that out, Ra&#8217;uf.</p>
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		<title>By: greenbackd</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brendan,

I think there are several possible interpretations open on his comment. One is that he is trying to say that price-to-book value is not useful as a value metric. The next is, as you point out, that it&#039;s not counter-intuitive. The third is that replacement value is a better proxy for intrinsic value than book value. I think the third interpretation is the most likely, but it&#039;s unrelated to the post or the line in the post he has quoted, which is why I was confused. It&#039;s also possible that he didn&#039;t intend any of these things, which is why I need him to elaborate so that I can understand what he was trying to say.

G]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan,</p>
<p>I think there are several possible interpretations open on his comment. One is that he is trying to say that price-to-book value is not useful as a value metric. The next is, as you point out, that it&#8217;s not counter-intuitive. The third is that replacement value is a better proxy for intrinsic value than book value. I think the third interpretation is the most likely, but it&#8217;s unrelated to the post or the line in the post he has quoted, which is why I was confused. It&#8217;s also possible that he didn&#8217;t intend any of these things, which is why I need him to elaborate so that I can understand what he was trying to say.</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: Ra'uf</title>
		<link>http://greenbackd.com/2009/12/04/piotroskis-f_score-in-practice/#comment-2678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ra'uf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great series of posts as usual!

I am a fan of the F-score. I have not taken it up, yet, as a buy signal, but Piotroski also pointed to the bottom feeders (scoring 1 or 2) to be five times as likely to de-list or go bankrupt. In that way I use it like the Altman Z score as a red flag, not to buy something, when the score is too low. 

There is one potential problem with this AAII screener. They only include companies that scored 9 out of 9 on the Piotroski F score, where as Piotroski, in his study, included companies that score 8 or 9. The screener may be unnecessarily rigid and exclude many potential investment opportunities.

Keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great series of posts as usual!</p>
<p>I am a fan of the F-score. I have not taken it up, yet, as a buy signal, but Piotroski also pointed to the bottom feeders (scoring 1 or 2) to be five times as likely to de-list or go bankrupt. In that way I use it like the Altman Z score as a red flag, not to buy something, when the score is too low. </p>
<p>There is one potential problem with this AAII screener. They only include companies that scored 9 out of 9 on the Piotroski F score, where as Piotroski, in his study, included companies that score 8 or 9. The screener may be unnecessarily rigid and exclude many potential investment opportunities.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://greenbackd.com/2009/12/04/piotroskis-f_score-in-practice/#comment-2677</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe Josh is saying that it should be intuitive to you that book value is a useful value metric. This is because book value can serve as a rough approximation of replacement value, which &quot;can be a much better proxy for intrinsic value in many industries, and in many market cycles ...&quot;

I hope this helps. Sorry to Josh if this is not what he meant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Josh is saying that it should be intuitive to you that book value is a useful value metric. This is because book value can serve as a rough approximation of replacement value, which &#8220;can be a much better proxy for intrinsic value in many industries, and in many market cycles &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope this helps. Sorry to Josh if this is not what he meant.</p>
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		<title>By: greenbackd</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand the point you are trying to make. Would you please elaborate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the point you are trying to make. Would you please elaborate.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It seems to me counterintuitive that book value should be useful as a value metric.&quot;

This is absolutely the last thing I thought I would ever read on this site. You need to read up on the concept of replacement value (compared to net asset or book value, compared to franchise value, compared to intrinsic value). Replacement value can be a much better proxy for intrinsic value in many industries, and in many market cycles where cash flow this year or next year may have no worth in predicting a company&#039;s true cash flow power. Greenwald&#039;s book is as good as any at laying out these concepts. Come on - you&#039;re better than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It seems to me counterintuitive that book value should be useful as a value metric.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is absolutely the last thing I thought I would ever read on this site. You need to read up on the concept of replacement value (compared to net asset or book value, compared to franchise value, compared to intrinsic value). Replacement value can be a much better proxy for intrinsic value in many industries, and in many market cycles where cash flow this year or next year may have no worth in predicting a company&#8217;s true cash flow power. Greenwald&#8217;s book is as good as any at laying out these concepts. Come on &#8211; you&#8217;re better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: greenbackd</title>
		<link>http://greenbackd.com/2009/12/04/piotroskis-f_score-in-practice/#comment-2671</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He takes the top decile of high BM firms as a starting point and then filters them on the 9 F_SCORE dimensions, which reduces the field further. I was basing my argument on the fact that only very few passed the AAII screen last year and again now. On reflection, however, I think you might be right. There&#039;s no logical reason why Piotroski&#039;s F_SCORE should stop saying &quot;buy&quot; as the market gets higher. Dang it, Anon. Thank you for pointing that out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He takes the top decile of high BM firms as a starting point and then filters them on the 9 F_SCORE dimensions, which reduces the field further. I was basing my argument on the fact that only very few passed the AAII screen last year and again now. On reflection, however, I think you might be right. There&#8217;s no logical reason why Piotroski&#8217;s F_SCORE should stop saying &#8220;buy&#8221; as the market gets higher. Dang it, Anon. Thank you for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://greenbackd.com/2009/12/04/piotroskis-f_score-in-practice/#comment-2667</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t Piotroski&#039;s study always take the top decile of high BM firms? Thus, he is always including the same portion of firms in his study. He doesn&#039;t have a BM cutoff value, does he? So I think you were originally right, the Piotroski score always flashes a buy signal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t Piotroski&#8217;s study always take the top decile of high BM firms? Thus, he is always including the same portion of firms in his study. He doesn&#8217;t have a BM cutoff value, does he? So I think you were originally right, the Piotroski score always flashes a buy signal?</p>
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